Building the Web's Memory: Clara Tsao on Filecoin's Mission to Democratize Data Storage

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Building the Web's memory.

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Clara Tsao on File Coin's Mission

to Democratize Data Storage.

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In this episode, Dr.

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Jemma Green sits down with Clara

Sao founding officer of the Filecoin

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Foundation, who's transforming how we

preserve and access information online.

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Clara shares her journey from

combating disinformation in government.

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To creating the world's largest

decentralized storage network, spanning

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exabytes of data across thousands of

providers from preserving historical

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archives to making data storage

more affordable and transparent.

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They explore how blockchain

technology is addressing information

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inequality or giving users true

ownership of their digital footprint.

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I'm your co-host Anthony Perl,

and whether you're an investor or

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a startup looking for insights.

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It's time to get unblocked.

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Let's start by introducing Clara

and allowing you to introduce

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yourself to the audience.

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Clara Tsao: Yes, happy to.

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My name is Clara Tsao.

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I'm founding officer of

the Filecoin Foundation.

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We are the world's largest decentralized

storage network and we think a lot about

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data today and what data looks like in

the future, and making sure that the

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ownership of data we access on the web

really belongs back in the hands of users.

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And so that's why a lot of us building on

the file coin ecosystem are are passionate

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about this mission of where data goes.

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Jemma Green: Amazing.

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And I mean, you've been working

in government very high levels,

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tackling some of the more complex

challenges around disinformation

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and things like digital safety.

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Could you tell us a little bit

about what drew you from that into

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the world of Web3 and file coin?

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, actually it's been on

a similar mission, I think my whole life.

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I've been very passionate about

solving inequality in this world,

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which is a very large problem set.

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The older I got, I realized.

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Maybe the internet and solving

inequality in the internet is a, is a

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better form of problem solving because

you only have so many hours and, and

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so much resources at hand to solve.

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A large problem like that

ultimately narrowed it down to

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information inequality today.

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When we have access to information

or for those that do not, it really

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carries a lot of weight into how

people choose their careers, how

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people choose their academic pursuits.

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A lot of it is siloed information access.

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That with the early onset of the internet

really opened up all these opportunities

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for people that didn't know before.

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And so I spent the early part of my

career actually in ed tech because

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if you can actually imagine expanding

educational access through all kinds

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of mediums to people, that felt very

important and mission aligned to me.

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I spent many years also looking at the

worst size of the internet, so from

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homegrown extremism in the US and how

terrorists might use the internet to

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recruit red and radicalize people to join

invisible wars like ISIS did back in the

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early 2000 tens, all the way to what has

happened in the last few years, which

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is this era of online misinformation and

misinformation, deep fakes and sometimes.

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Even the lack of someone to tell

whether something is an AI or a

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bot, and for me, the thing that is

most important when you think about.

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How to verify and have access to high

quality information is actually the

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ability to check the source of data and

proof that it came from a person, a thing,

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or whatever sources that it came from.

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And that's one of the biggest challenges

for me when I was in US government,

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was seeing that firsthand and realizing

that there actually aren't that many

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solutions that can really solve this until

you really solve it at the data layer.

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And so.

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With Filecoin and IPFS, we actually look

at data in a very different way because we

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think about it at the very storage layer.

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Instead of all the data belonging in

one server, belonging to one company,

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or maybe just a three in the us, you can

actually have a lot more ownership in how

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you store, but also the way you store is

actually rather than by content address.

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You actually store by hash, and so

that piece of data will never get lost.

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If you've ever encountered a four,

four error on the web, that's often

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happens because someone doesn't pay

the bill and that document gets lost.

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In fact, I think the average

lifespan of a website is just 2.5

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years.

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So for me, coming into blockchain

was really around the properties of.

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Crypto itself, how do you actually verify

and also remove intermediaries in between

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that might actually end up intercepting

with information and making sure that,

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especially from the content integrity

side, that's really what drew me back in.

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I actually did get exposed to blockchain

back in 20 12, 20 13, so I have been

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in a space for some mirrors, but

the technology really didn't really.

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Come into tangible means until the

last few years when you see a lot of

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builders and a lot more innovation

happen across the crypto ecosystem.

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And it's been amazing to see

all kinds of innovation happen

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in the blockchain space today.

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Jemma Green: Definitely,

and I mean, in terms of.

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File coin's database.

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Is it used like traditional databases?

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You just mentioned some alternatives,

like I guess we've got, you know,

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way back machine, which kind

of captures older websites and

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this is an alternative for that.

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What are the, the bigger use cases

that people in organizations are using

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Filecoin for and are they analogous

to existing use cases or new ones?

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, so there's actually

a lot of use cases for decentralized

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storage that today, if you were

comparing storage to your experience

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using a Dropbox, a Google Drive, I

think are actually way more interesting.

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One of them is this concept of data DAOs.

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A lot of large companies

might have terabytes of data.

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They may not wanna be the

single owner of that data.

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Even see this sometimes in mandatory

reporting in the healthcare space where

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certain companies have to co report and

then one company gets stuck with the bill.

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We also had instances like conservation

groups that were recording animal

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noises in the wild and they.

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Might be actually fearful that if they

actually capture human data, they might

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be subject to lawsuit, especially if it's

community generated information gathering.

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So there are so many instances

where today you can imagine.

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The liability of how we use data and

some of the policies around it might

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not actually serve some of the greater

good that people might have at hand.

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The instance you gave about the way back

machine is a great one where a lot of

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people also don't realize how fragile

the web is that websites do go down.

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And so the Way Back Machine is a great

example of the partnership we have

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with the inter archive, where we're

backing up every single page on the web.

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And also making sure there's a word

didn't copy on the centralized web.

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And these are so important because

unfortunately in certain countries

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around the world where the internet can

actually be easily censored by dictators,

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that freedom of access to information

from a human rights standpoint might

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be very limited in ways that might

be hard for you and I to experience.

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But you know, Jewish journalists and

a lot of human rights groups that.

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We've worked with that have to deal with

these kinds of challenges every day.

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And so those are the moments where I

think you see a lot more use cases that

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today it's not just swapping out AWS

or a Google Drive for an alternative.

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It's actually way more than that.

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And it's also the ability to preserve

your privacy for data the way you want to.

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Sometimes for other companies, it's

the lack of feeling like you are

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getting golden handcuffs and cuffed

to a particular company for life.

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Today, if you've used any cell phone

provider and then you have Apple

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or Google, it's really hard to not

pay the storage bill every month.

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And sometimes that amount

of data just increases.

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And so a lot of people wanna be able to

fully feel like they can own the data

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versus having to pay a third party to get

their own data back that they've produced.

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So I think those are

a couple of instances.

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I think when the rise of ai, which

is a hot topic these days with almost

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everyone every day using AI in in some

form in their lives already, people are

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being much more personal to AI than they

would to normal search back in the day.

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A lot of times people may not

want what they might use their AI

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as a therapist or their deepest,

darkest secrets for search to be

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necessarily harvested for advertising.

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So there's so many different properties

that I think make it really interesting.

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We're also gonna see a rise in AI agents.

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Communicating to the other AI agents.

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And there's also this question of

where is the data going to be stored

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when there's actually no intermediary?

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And that's something that we're

thinking about a lot too, is being

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that storage layer that can also

verify and store new kinds of data

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that a lot of large companies say

may not even be thinking about.

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At the end of the day, accuracy and AI

comes from being able to analyze large

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amounts of data, and that's something

that we've already done in the last few

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years, and we really wanna make sure

that open access to being able to store

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access and also provide all kinds of

compute on top of that, is accessible

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to everyone, not just a rare few.

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Anthony Perl: That's really interesting

what you just said there, because

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a few hours ago today I got a phone

call and there was a slight delay

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and it sounded like a human voice.

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And then I very quickly worked

out that it was an AI and it did

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make me think about what's the

information that I'm giving over.

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And certainly I definitely

did not get my email address.

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I wanted to see if it would,

but waited for the email.

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It didn't come.

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And so it's actually interesting

how accurate it is for even for

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the people at the other end.

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, absolutely.

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It's becoming harder and harder to

often tell who you're talking to from

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a customer service hotline when you're

in a chat room, or whether that's,

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sometimes these videos I've seen even

generated today, I've seen very good

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advertisements that are completely a

AI generated, and people have also been

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able to manipulate their photographs.

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The last organization I started before

co-founding the Fal and Foundation.

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Was the first professional association

in the trust and safety space.

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So I actually just flew back this

morning from Trust Con, which is the

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largest gathering of trust and safety

professionals, and we were talking

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about all these challenges that major

platforms and companies are facing today

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from this idea of sextortion, right?

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When you have public images online

of your face, there's so many

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ways that you can weaponize it.

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You can put it on.

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Different bodies and there's a lot of

implications from what kids have to deal

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with from a bullying standpoint all the

way to what at some point is that face

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actually yours and your right to own

it, versus something that has been now

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been manipulated, looks like you, but

may not be fully under your ownership.

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And those are the kinds of

questions that I think are.

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Especially important for our society

to grapple with, but also having the

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right way to actually verify, prove

the instances to change data over time.

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I think that issue is gonna be I more,

more than ever, and that's something

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that we're able to do on the FO coin

network today and the way that we store.

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So we're also thinking about the

way that we're seeing the landscape

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transform and how we can also help

with all kinds of situations for

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verifying and authenticating content.

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Jemma Green: In terms of the adoption of

the file coin system, like how big is it?

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Could you give the listeners a bit of a

sense of how much adoption you've had?

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, so early on in

the Foll client network, we were

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able to build a network of over 4.1

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exabytes of available storage.

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It's for those that dunno, exabytes.

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It's, it's a lot of storage and we

did this in a much shorter timeframe

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than what you could imagine.

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Centralized providers like

A OES were able to do.

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We did it in in less than, you

know, a year and a half, two years.

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A lot of what we did early on

the network is really recruit a

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large network of entrepreneurs.

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You can imagine them like Airbnb hosts.

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You know, you have extra space and

you wanna host and offer your space

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to other people and no difference.

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We have a lot of people that.

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Care a lot about providing infrastructure

and they're building their own

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data centers all around the world.

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So we have close to anywhere from 2000

to: 3000

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the world, independently running

their own data centers and then

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building on top of the Quin network.

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And just like Airbnb that doesn't own

any of the homes, we don't own any of the

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data centers, but we very much help them

create open and free marketplace where.

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They can offer storage of all kinds.

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Storage is actually a very.

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Diverse vertical.

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I think a lot of people only think

about storage in their day-to-day

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consumer use case, but there's probably

18 different sub-verticals of storage.

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Everything from large archival

data sets where you're maybe not

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gonna access at frequent times.

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Sometimes, you know, films often

have a hard time being preserved in

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storage all the way to hot storage.

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So object Web3, object storage for

example, might include NFTs and

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different kinds of ways to store

even new kinds of data that we're

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seeing in the blockchain space.

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We've done chain archival storage

of other blockchain networks.

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We recently worked with Avalanche.

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We've worked at Carano.

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We've also backed up Solana's

entire ledger history.

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There's also a number of use cases in

just Web two object storage, and this

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is much more what you might be familiar

with, that Dragon Drop model of a

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Dropbox or Google Drive experience.

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We have companies like Fleet that offer

web hosting, so they're a little bit like

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WordPress, but instead of hosting to a.

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Centralized server, you can obviously

host to the Filecoin network.

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So we're open source, we're very

transparent about everything that we do.

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Every time someone wants to

make an update to the network,

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they have a community vote.

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And so for us, those are really good

qualities that show transparency to

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our community, not only for those that

are building on it, but also those

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that want an alternative to store.

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And so I would say we're a

little bit operationally like.

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A mix between the Missoula and Linux

Foundation, where we really try to

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provide grants infrastructure for

the broader network for Filecoin,

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but also we have kind of an activist

side too, to making sure that we can

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get the best kind of information free

and public to those that need it.

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Mm-hmm.

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We also have a lot of grants that

we've given over the years because

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again, of our large amount of.

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Storage capacity to nonprofits and

great groups that really have a hard

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time storing their data otherwise.

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So this might include the Flicker

Foundation, which if you guys remember

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back in the day, flicker was this.

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Early homepage of all the photographs,

and we have a whole database of what

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we're preserving with the Flicker

Foundation to make sure there's

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a commons and archive for that.

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We also have, working with groups like the

Smithsonian, we just backed up Alexander

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Graham Bell's archives, so there's a

lot that we're doing in addition to what

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we've previously mentioned already about

the internet archive and backing up.

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The web.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I think a lot of people

forget that today data costs

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are actually very, very high.

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Even academic researchers, you

might be doing a large genomic

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sequencing experiment and you

suddenly end up with an AWS bill of

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a hundred thousand dollars a month.

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Right.

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And then at some point you might

have to throw away some of that data.

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One thing that's really great about.

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What I just said about the

properties for decentralized

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storage is that ability to verify.

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And so imagine you're working

with a scientist in Europe and

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you're from the uc, Berkeley lab.

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You wanna make sure you're not using

the wrong dataset, and you can actually

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in real time, verify that, especially

when it comes to large amounts of data.

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That's another really great use case of

what we're seeing in the decentralized

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science realm of how do we do experiments.

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That can be verified and doing it

with huge amounts of information.

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So just a couple of illustrations.

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But we definitely are very passionate

about supporting all kinds of groups and

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especially those that may not normally be

able to store as much data that are trying

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to do something good for this world.

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We have been hand in hand

in, in helping those efforts.

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Got it.

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Jemma Green: For the, the more

commercial use cases, how does the cost

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of using Filecoin compare to other.

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Cloud storage solutions.

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, so like I said,

it's an open marketplace and just

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like differences might change for

commodities that you use every single day.

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It's hard to say there's a fixed price,

but definitely there's an operation cost.

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That every single storage provider

around the world operates on,

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and usually they're the ones that

set the price for the market.

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I would say on average for large archival

storage, we see cost being a fraction of

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what they would normally be for Amazon

Glacier when it comes to hot storage.

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Over time, our network has

become way more efficient.

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I would say early on in the

network probably was a little

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more expensive actually, to look

at hot storage options, but.

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This year we've launched proof of

data possession and all these new

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innovations on the Filecoin network

that has actually made it much more

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affordable and cheaper to experiment

and build on top of Filecoin.

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So again, all our storage f

freighters around the world, they,

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they're the ones that actually

set the price for their customers.

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We also have a number of startups that

are building what we call storefronts.

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They're really the user experience layer

of storing all kinds of specialty data.

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For example, NFT storage stores, NFTs.

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And so a lot of times they're also

the ones that kind of dictate,

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Hey, this is the price that we

see people are willing to pay for

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and the price that we wanna set.

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The type of data you're storing,

but I would say like in many

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cases we're much cheaper.

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In other cases, I would say the properties

we offer long term, a lot of people have

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been gravitating towards because they

see it as much more price stability.

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This past year with a number of tariffs

hitting, especially from the us, this

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idea of, you know, if you just add

three to 4% to cloud infrastructure

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costs coming from the us, it's a big.

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Bill for everyone that

relies on on storage costs.

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option too in terms of times of economic

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headwinds where you don't necessarily

wanna feel like, you know, you have

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to pay to one country when there's

turbulence in what the price could be.

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Anthony Perl: I know even at a small

business level that the cost of storage

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is significant, relatively speaking, and

you know, most businesses would feel like,

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well, the choices are Google or Dropbox.

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, absolutely.

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And I, I would say like this

was not always the case.

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I would say probably 15, 20 years ago, if.

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You were to lose your phone in the pool.

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I think the idea of you really

wanting to make sure your phone

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was backed up was not as critical.

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But today we're seeing more and more

people rely on their backups, rely

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on their data for just day-to-day

function of their lives, and.

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I think this is why you see people

willing to pay a lot more, but at the same

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time, there's a cost of paying, right?

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Because you're just accumulating all that

data and it's really hard to not only

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manage it, but also if it's critical data,

feel like you can afford to store it.

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it's this offering this.

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Separate economy system that isn't

always dictated by monopolies, that

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on whim may just wanna increase

value to their shareholders and

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they just dictate the price.

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Having an open, transparent and

marketplace like network gives

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consumers so much more choice for how

they store, and also helps a lot of

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businesses and companies, but also

nonprofits be able to, to have a lot

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more optionality than sometimes what

feels like there is no choice today.

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Jemma Green: When you mentioned Avalanche

before, and I saw you recently announced

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a partnership to build a a cross chain

data bridge, could you talk to us

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about what's so significant about that?

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What does it provide?

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, so we went and announced

a partnership with Avalanche Sea Chain.

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This is really great because over the

last few years we launched Filecoin

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Virtual Machine and this really allows

us to actually build applications with

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other protocols in the blockchain space.

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Avalanche is definitely one of, um, and.

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This allows us to be able to very

easily store any kind of application

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that builders on the Avalanche

Network want to back up on Filecoin

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and instances like these that really

allow us to make that access of

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decentralized storage just one step.

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Closer and easier to feeling seamless,

like they're using a normal storage

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network, but also making sure that they

can really do it in a decentralized way.

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So those are just a few examples.

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We have a couple of exciting other

announcements later this year as

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well, similar to that effect, but it's

been really great to also elevate.

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The broader crypto, uh, community with

optionality in, in decentralized storage.

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There's also a number of companies

that are also building on the

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Filecoin network that also are

working with Avalanche, like a cave.

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So they actually were a company that

came out of the Filecoin ecosystem,

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and it's also been great to see them

collaborate with Avalanche even closer.

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They just launched a Kave cloud,

which is built through the file coin

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ecosystem, but also very closely

with the avalanche community.

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Jemma Green: So would you say that you

are a kind of layer two for avalanche?

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Clara Tsao: I would say companies

in our network can be layered to

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use for other ecosystems as well.

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'cause you imagine Filecoin

is infrastructure, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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And we really became a more full fledged

layer one with Filecoin virtual machine

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that was announced around two, a little

bit over two years ago, I think, at

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this point in a year and a half ago.

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I think it allows us to be able

to offer that entire marketplace

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of innovation to be built on top.

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So there's a lot of companies today

that I don't think we would've even

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thought about at the Falcon Foundation

or in the sibling company that helped

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write the Falco White Paper MA uh, with

Protocol Labs, there's so much from.

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Companies that allow you to, to back up

your phone data on, on the file network

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to all these other kinds of innovations,

like how do we make sure that data

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centers can be completely solar powered?

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I think that's the really beauty of

a two-sided marketplace and having an

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innovation marketplace of applications,

whether those are L twos or startups

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building on top of Filecoin, or whether

those are from the storage provider side

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of people innovating for how to even

run data centers, how to think about.

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Combining not just storage,

but also compute and GPUs.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that's something that we've also

done with other projects like Ether and,

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and a few other deepen projects to not

only think about the storage layer, but

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also think about shared GPU and compute.

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That is all part of the AI stack

that we're seeing in the future.

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Gotcha.

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Jemma Green: If you look at l other

L ones in terms of what they've done

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to get more mainstream adoption.

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And what would you say like Filecoin

is focused on to similarly get that

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same kind of mainstream adoption?

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Like is it something around like

incentives or user experience or

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like the kind of products and the

core customers that you're targeting?

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Clara Tsao: Yeah, no,

that's a great question.

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I would say the number one priority

actually for our ecosystem is helping

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all the builders and startups accelerate

their journey to product market fit.

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Because like I said, we're kind of

competing against the Goliaths that have

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been in the storage space for some time.

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I would say actually to break

down what other crypto networks

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are doing versus ourselves.

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It is tricky because I truly think the

strongest product market fit adoption

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for just broader crypto is in the

decentralized finance space, right?

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People are just trading currencies.

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I agree.

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Or people are just investors in it.

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And for us, our mission has been very

much from the beginning, not necessarily

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that as our main focus, but specifically.

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On making an alternative to how

we see internet infrastructure.

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And so a lot of times I feel

like I'm sometimes speaking

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to three different audiences.

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I'm speaking one to the internet

activist kind of community of

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people that want the alternative,

that are the earliest adopters of.

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Different technologies that have come out

of our network, like IPFS and Filecoin.

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I'm speaking to an audience that is really

traditional infrastructure providers.

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They're building the data centers that

really, actually, some of them may not

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be fully blockchain native even, but

they're just so passionate about building

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better architecture, and some of them are

really enterprise nerds that really see

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the future on the infrastructure side.

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And then the third bucket is really

the crypto and blockchain community.

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There's been a lot of smart

people that really find the

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research in decentralized storage.

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Fascinating, and they've

been really attracted to it.

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There's a lot of people that

love our developer community.

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I think one of the most active

GitHub accounts in all of the, the

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blockchain space in terms of the

amount of activity in our network.

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We have a really smart network of

different kinds of developers that

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are building different elements of

the Fal Coin Network at all times.

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But I think there's also this

sense of feeling misunderstood

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because are the general.

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Community that doesn't

know Filecoin too deep.

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They're just looking for splashy

updates for what is that new thing?

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Because we're not in the weeds

of thinking about it more like

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an infrastructure network.

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Mm-hmm.

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What is that next thing that's

gonna make the token price rise?

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Right.

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So I do wanna separate between the three,

because when you think about mainstream

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adoption, unfortunately a lot of where

we've seen the most of mainstream adoption

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has been entirely in the decentralized

finance space where people, at the end of

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the day, their motive is to make money.

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You can also argue, you know,

today if you own an NFT.

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You are already using Filecoin and IPFS.

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Most NFTs today are stored on Filecoin, so

there's a lot of people that might use it.

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And for us it's actually better

that they're not even aware because

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that's when we know we have adoption.

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And true utility is when people have

that experience, feels seamless.

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Anthony Perl: Mm-hmm.

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Clara Tsao: So I think sometimes for us,

especially in the black blockchain and

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web free community is just awareness.

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Often we're maybe communicating to,

you know, our network or to other

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communities, or even to policymakers.

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And the crypto community also wants

certain kinds of updates at all

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times, and this is why being able to

collaborate with so many different

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companies has been really exciting for

us because especially I would argue

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in the decentralized AI space where

we're seeing a lot more infrastructure,

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having a spotlight in crypto this year.

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I think that is a huge opportunity for

people to also see it in a light of, you

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know, their, their fear is for what today.

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The lack of transparency in a lot

of major monopolies owning the AI

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stack is causing, and a lot of great

people are thinking about ways to

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decentralize the future of how we're

gonna all communicate, you know, which.

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Through different kinds of AI means,

whether it's AI agents at the top level

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or it's the training data to make sure

that that is verified and used in a way

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that is representative of key information.

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Sometimes it's, you know, the future

of what we think about as physical

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ai when we think about robots or.

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Self-driving cars, all of that

also runs on data and all that data

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has to be stored somewhere, right?

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And so a lot of people want transparency

as we're seeing much more of an open

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ecosystem that's all powered by ai.

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Anthony Perl: As we wrap up part one

of the discussion on how Filecoin

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is revolutionizing data ownership

and preserving historical archives,

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part two of our conversation with

Clara Sao Delves deeper into the

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sustainability aspects of decentralized.

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Storage.

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Join us as Clara shares insights

on solar power data centers, file

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coin's, partnerships in the AI

ecosystem, and how her background

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in national security encountering

disinformation shaped her vision for

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a more transparent digital future.

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We'll also discuss how

decentralized infrastructure.

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Can address the massive energy demands of

modern technology while creating economic

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opportunities in regions traditionally

left behind by tech innovation.

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Don't miss this thought provoking

continuation of our discussion on the

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future of data storage and ownership.

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